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's ultimatum driving us to the fiscal cliff? chris and senior writer for the weekly standard, steven hayes the guests here tonight. we begin with the dictator trying to maintain command of the country using chemical weapons as a deterrent. fox news chief washington correspondent james rosen has the latest for us in this report. >> a regime helicopter captured in the skies in syria in a video unloads something, most likely, a defensive flair to detour antirebel runners, but that epitomizes the fear of which the serian people now live. rebel forces taking the flight to the assad regime inside the capital with a deadly explosion in the arab red crescent building outside the city. >> it's very clear the regime forces are being grounded down and that they are losing. >> in seeking to squash the uprising, he killed 40,000 people. president obama's top aids feel the fighting takes on a more gruesome character. >> we remain very concerned, very concern that as the opposition advances, in particular on damascus, that the regime might very well consider the use of chemical weapons. >> senior u.s. of
on the anticipation of the fiscal cliff, the ceo of a major insurance company on what the fiscal cliff means to his industry right now as the second hour of "the closing bell" gets under way with maria bartiromo. see you tomorrow. >>> and it is 4:00 on wall street. do you know where your money is? hi, everybody. welcome back to "the closing bell." i'm maria bartiromo on the floor of the new york stock exchange. this market not able to get anything going today as the fiscal cliff fears continue to hang over us. as you see, we turned negative right at 4:00. in fact, we're looking at a decline of about 13 points right her here. the nasdaq composite also under pressure to the tune of five. the s&p 500 down about two points on the session. i want to take a closer look at what moved the markets as we await any decisions out of washington. joining us right now, keith springer, abbigail doolittle, and our own bob posani. keith, let me get your take on the cliff here and on what's to happen in terms of the markets. do you expect the economy to go over the fiscal cliff? what kind of reaction might we see in
. >>> with the fiscal cliff ticking, friendly territory that got him re-elected. heading to the pennsylvania suburbs with a campaign-style sales pitch to rally support for his proposals. more crucial developments in the middle east where egyptian leaders push a new constitution. >>> and who do you think had the better lunch on thursday? these guys or this guy? joe biden takes costco by storm. does he do anything else? good morning from washington. it's friday, november 30, 2012, and this is "the daily rundown. i'm chris cillizza in today for chuck todd. the president hits the road today to settle his proposal to avoid the fiscal cliff at a toy factory in the pennsylvania suburbs. the president's opening budget bid landed with a thud on the republican side of capitol hill. after meeting with the president's top negotiator treasury secretary tim geithner, some republicans are calling the white house offer a joke. that's a quote, and a fantasy. that's also a quote. leaving the talks in a familiar place, stalemate. >> no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the hou
the fiscal cliff. the president says no deal without raising taxes on the rich. melissa: the nations largest seaport complex at a near standstill for the eighth straight day. drake christopher is going to join us with how this could impact your holiday season. lori: i was just kidding, actually. bacon is kosher. i do not eat kosher. melissa: speaking of kosher -- lori: rubbing elbows with the royals. our next ambassador -- you are speechless. melissa: i do not know about that one. time for stocks now as we do every 15 minutes. nicole petallides is standing by. nicole: right now, we are seeing the dow jones industrial average down just 12 points. so far, we are having a losing week on wall street. let's see what happens at the end of the day. these moves are really fractional. the s&p down a third of a percent. december, traditionally, is the best month for the s&p 500 since 1950. we will see whether or not that seems to come to correlation. i want to take a look at some of the auto retailers. it turns out they are not doing so well with their sales. pat boys, in particular, revenue missing f
the so-called fiscal cliff. congressional republicans firing back now amid claims by president obama that some g.o.p. lawmakers are holding middle class tax cuts hostage. and senator orrin hatch accusing the president of pulling a bait and switch. listen. >> the the president said he wants a so-called balanced approach to solve this crisis, but what he proposed this week was a classic bait and switch on the american people, a tax increase double the size of what he campaigned on. billions of dollars in this stimulus spending and unlimited unchecked authority to borrow from the chinese. maybe i missed it, but i don't believe him asking for any of that during the presidential campai campaign. >> jamie: well, the developments are wii by the hour and our steve centanni is covering all of them. good to see you. >> you, too, jamie. one month until the fiscal cliff and appears to be little movement, but a lot of talk back and forth and the president used a campaign style appearance to appeal directly to the american people and pushed for immediate action to extend bush era tax cuts for ever
to go, anywhere closer to a deal of the fiscal cliff? if you listen to lawmakers, the answer is no, but cumberland advisers thinks a compromise is brewing. >> hundreds of thousands of cars destroyed by hurricane sandy, but as drivers rush to replace them, you may be forced to pay a higher price. >> huh. a car salesmen or congressmen? who do americans trust the least? the new numbers and lou dobbs taking up that up. >> how apple is expanding its empire into the crib. >> my goodness. there's little siri there and little macbook. goinged to floor of the new york stock exchange, and, lauren, economic data, down just a little bit in the red today, down 22 points 37 >> yeah, it is the first trading day of the new month. december, a strong month historically for the stocks, but there's a push and pull going on between market forces and the economic data, and we're in the red across the board, relatively flat this monday morning. the data, u.s. manufacturing activity last month lowest level since the summer of 2009, but then we got a construction spending report that was good. in october,
a month before the so-called fiscal cliff and house speaker boehner said congressional republicans are "nowhere in talks with the white house." they are trying. good morning. i'm jamie colby. great to have you here. welcome to america's news headquarters. >> eric: i'm eric shawn. good morning. in an exclusive interview with "fox news sunday," speaker boehner says negotiations are at a standstill. this is as treasury secretary tim geithner says the president is ready for what he calls difficult concessions. mr. boehner says he was flabbergasted at the white house stance on what they say needs to be done. peter doocy has details this morning on the latest developments from washington. good morning, peter. >> good morning, eric. spieger boehner said negotiations are nowhere, period and he called treasury secretary tim geithner's presentation of the white house proposal to avoid the fiscal cliff earlier in week "nonserious." >> i was flabbergasted. i lookedded a him like you can't be serious. i've just never seen anything like it. you know we have seven weeks between election day and t
developments out of the region, but first tonight, urgent developments on the fiscal cliff show down. tim guy ne geithner announced of of the white house that we would, quote, absolutely go over the fiscal cliff which would trigger tax cuts and spending increases unless taxes increase on the top two percent of wage earnings. >> i want you you to understand when it comes to raising taxes on the wealthy. if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthy. >> all right. it appears the very definition of the american dream is now being rewritten by president barack obama. now, today our commander-in-chief publicly said he's not going to play games with the fiscal cliff, but that is just not reality. right now the president is playing a very dangerous game of chicken and this is with your paycheck and the american dream. meanwhile, the republicans have allowed themselves to get caught in a circular firing squad. they're negotiat
the fiscal cliff unless republicans agree to tax increases. reports from major garrett and chip reid. elaine quijano on a new study that could lead to a major change in treatment for breast cancer. >> recurrence is something you live with for your entire life. >> pelley: a household name in computers is wanted in a murder investigation. bob orr reports he was tracked down by the technology he lived by. and we note two milestones: an eyewitness to this moment in history has died. then anthony mason will take five to remember dave brubeck, a giant of jazz. captioning sponsored by cbs this is the "cbs evening news" with scott pelley. >> pelley: good evening, they've never said it quite like this: the president's treasury secretary made it clear there is no room for compromise. republicans must accept an increase in tax rates for upper-income americans. negotiations on a budget deal haven't gone very far and there are just 27 days before that so-called fiscal cliff. that's the package of tax increases for most americans and budget cuts that will hit automatically unless the white house and congr
willing to go over the fiscal cliff. moody's chief economist, deutsche bank senior u.s. economist telling us just how much that will hurt the economy and the markets, and, of course, investors and everyone in this country in today's money lineup, news on the economy brought life to wall street today inspiring some investors, the news an unexpected increase in factory orders up for a second straight month, and the biggest gains in productivity in the third quarter in two years. business activity, along with new orders, showing their biggest gains last month since the first quarter. stocks finished off their highs. the dow up 83 appointments at the close. the s&p gaining 2.25, and the nasdaq under the weight and pressure of the biggest stock, apple, dropping 23 points. volume today rising to almost 4%.2 billion shares. app 8 stock, as i said, today, laggerred and immense weight on the mark. that stock fell 6.5%, $37, and concerned about the lack of new products on the horizon, concern increased competition in the market might force apple to cut margins to remain competitive that added up to
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to get you up to speed on the day's headlines here on cnn. fiscal cliff talks are turning into a high-stakes game of chicken. secretary tim geithner said there's no deal unless republicans agree to raise taxes on the wealthy. >> if they are going to force higher rates on virtually all americans because they are unwilling to let tax rates go up on 2% of americans, then that's the choice we'll have to make. >> republicans are furious. they don't like democrats drawing a red line in the sand. >> i think we are going over the cliff. it is pretty clear to me they made a political calculation. >> president barack obama and gop leaders held one face to face meeting on the fiscal cliff since the election. that meeting took place more than two weeks ago. >>> the kansas city chiefs suited up and took the field today against carolina. that's despite the shock and horror of yesterday's suicide of linebacker jevon belcher. stay right there with full details in a full report on cnn in just a minute. >>> high winds and heavy rain are pummeling the northwest. the rainfall will continue throughout the
to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. again, there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. >> and this ongoing political game of chicken is something one of the chairmen of the debt commission simply calls madness. >> when you have leaders of parties and people from the administration saying i think it will be to the advantage of the democrats to go off the cliff or i think it will be advantage to the republicans to go off the cliff or the president to go off the cliff, that's like betting your country. there's stupidity involved in that. >> willing to go over the cliff, i guess they are but they also don't believe republicans are going to go over the cliff. >> he can win politically but the costs, doesn't you agree, would be tremendous not only to him but to the economy and to our country. >> and we want to bring in and say good morning to congresswoman diane black, a republican from tennessee, a member of the house budget and ways and means committee. congresswoman, is great to have you with me right now. as
. >> you know, the president has warned us about the dangers of going over the fiscal cliff. but his actions have not matched his public statements. members of his own party seem quite comfortable with sending the economy over the fiscal cliff. >> the speaker's remarks riled the left and provoked this response from senate majority leader harry reid. >> he says that democrats have got to get serious about cuts, spending cuts. where is the disconnect, then? >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. okay? >> with only a handful of legislative days left on the congress's calendar before the looming fiscal cliff becomes a raw reality, will the president and house gop find a way over the latest road black and back to the bargaining table? >> why did the white house decide to have this as their opening volley when they knew the response would be a negative one that they drew? >> was it hardball opening? yeah, of course it was. the question is, what's the counteroffer? >> i would imagine there has to -- tim geithner is too smart of a guy in this administration is filled with sm
event in pennsylvania to tout his proposal in the fiscal cliff negotiations saying that the american people made their economic wishes clear on the election day. >> obama: this was a central questions in the election. maybe the central question in the election. you remember. we talked about this a lot. at the end of the day a clear majority of americans--democrats republicans, independents--they agreed with a balanced. >> eliot: republicans meanwhile openly deride the president's proposal saying they're the ones taking negotiations seriously. >> the proposal that was delivered here by secretary geithner the speaker and me yesterday was not a serious proposal. >> i mean, it's--it's--it's--it was not a serious proposal. i think the debt crisis that we face requires us to make serious decisions. >> we're not playing a game. we're being serious. >> eliot: bottom line. let's hope there is a different script being played out behind the scenes. joining me now for some serious wisdom is staff reporter for mother jones andy kroll. thank you for joining me tonight. >> my pleasure. >> eliot: is
, ross. i mean, you don't really know what is going to come out of the u.s. fiscal cliff, how damaging potentially that can be to u.s. confidence, u.s. activity. things seem to be holding up fairly well in china. but i think there is still going to be some concerns about the whole performance of the asian economy and whether that can actually pick up next year. and then, of course, in the eurozone itself, we seem to be mending the problems progressively and taking out the tail risks, which i think is good and that is the bottom line that investors should take going further forward, but at the same time, there are some elements that you can have. if you do a forecast, in a way you could come up with something like 1% quotes for next year, but at the same time, you have to be conscious that we've had such a battery of downside impact, downside negative news coming through really for all economists in the western world in the last few years. you have to be very cognizant of those. >> i think so. julian, we're going to leave because we have to get a break in and we've got to g to egypt as
in the fiscal cliff debate. also earns him a meeting today with the current treasury secretary, tim geithner. cnn's kate ballolduan on capito hill, day 33, eek, 33 days, tim geithner kicking into this process. we would assume possibly pushing into high gear or more of a photo op or a little bit of both? >> reporter: it remains to be seen. i hate having to say that for our viewers, but we're waiting to hear exactly what comes out of these meetings. important, nonetheless, because these are face-to-face meetings with principle players, timothy guide next the treasury secretary, tapped by the president to be the point person to spearhead the negotiations with congress over these fiscal cliff negotiations. we had had a brief shot of him arriving this morning as he was coming into the capitol. he's being joined by rob neighbors, the white house liaison to congress. he's a man that has long standing relationships with folks on capitol hill. series of meetings, all individual meetings, senator reid, told by my colleagues he's in a meeting with house speaker john boehner and mitch mcconnell, top rep
left to make a deal before the country hits what's called the fiscal cliff. that's a combination of across the board tax increases for everyone, coupled with cuts in spending like defense, education, health care, and housing assistance. let's go live to our chief white house correspondent jessica yellin with the very latest. jessica? >> reporter: president obama has now personally turned down speaker boehner's opening offer to avert the fiscal cliff. he did it in a tv interview. what does president obama think of speaker boehner's proposal to avert the fiscal cliff? >> unfortunately, the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. he talks about $800 billion worth of revenues but says he's going to do that by lowering rates. when you look at the math, it doesn't work. >> reporter: he won't agree to eliminate a tax deduction for contributions to charity. >> every hospital and university and nonfor profit agency across the country would find themselves on the verge of collapse. so that's not a realistic option. >> reporter: but the president didn't say all this to speaker
by leaving town before making a deal on the fiscal cliff. what's going on? if you take an aspirin to prevent heart trouble check the labor. our own dr. sanjay gupta tells us what a new study says about the effects of coated tablets. we'll also hear what happened during in flight emergency during one of the world's newest high-tech planes. i'm wolf blitzer, you're in the situation room. >>> with just 27 days to go until all of us are hit with tax increases, takes it across the board a cut of $55 billion. people have it in their power to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff aren't negotiating, they're not debating right now, so many of them simply leaving town. but there's more going on than meets the eye. let's bring in our senior congressional correspondent dana basch, she has the latest. >> reporter: there's so much political theater around here right now, you could say tickets. one of today's acts was the house leaving. lawmakers streaming out of the capitol hill, racing to their cars to get to the airport and go home. it's a scene you usually see on a thursday afternoon or friday morning, not
before that so- called fiscal cliff. that's the package of tax increases for most americans and budget cuts that will hit automatically unless the white house and congress find a gentler way to solve the crisis in the federal budget. here's how treasury secretary tim geithner put it on cnbc. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> absolutely. again there is no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. remember, it's only 2%. >> pelley: by top 2%, he means individuals making more than $200,000 and couples taking in $250,000 or more. republicans say rates shouldn't be increased on anyone. with no agreement, going over the fiscal cliff would be painful. the automatic tax increases break down like this: households making $20,000 to $40,000 would see an increase in $1,200 a year. incomes of $40,000 to $64,000 would see taxes rise $2,000 and in the $64,000 to $108,000 bracket taxes go up $3,500 a year. mr. obama and the republican speaker of the house talked this over today and here's major garrett
coming off in the battle over how to get off the fiscal cliff. republicans call president bam become's opening proposal ludicrous. and absurd. the president is going public to try to ridicule the g.o.p. lawmakers to accepting the tax hikes now. >> i miss visiting towns like this. >> president obama got his wish, rather than negotiating with republicans he was hamering them. back on the campaign trail in a factory that makes angry bird toys. >> it's not accept to believe me and i don't think it's acceptable for you for republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage because they don't want the tax rates on the upper income folks to go up. >> within minutes, john boehner fired back the talks are on life support. >> let's not kid ourselves. >> boehner ripped the president for sending treasury secretary ti tim geithner to capitol hill with a proposal that led mitch mcconnell literally burst out laughing. >> the white house took three weeks to respond with any kind of proposal. and much to my disappointment, it wasn't a serious one. >> their beef is the president campaigned
why. >>> a group of democratic heavyweights one up the president's fiscal cliff plan. forget hitting the rich. alcohol, cigarettes, online gambling, nothing is safe. will the payoff be worth of the pain? we'll debate it. >>> are the salvation army bell ringer jobs only for sexy ladies. one man claims he was fired to make way for beautiful women. is it unfair or good business? even when they say it's not it is always about "money." melissa: all right. first let's take a look at the day's market headlines. you would think the markets would stop getting faked out by the fiscal cliff optimism, would you? but apparently not. that and better than expected data from the service sector sent the dow to a one-month high. >> it was a different story for the nasdaq weighed down by tumbling shares of apple. it had a 6 1/2% decline there and it is the biggest one day loss in four years. fears are growing that the ipad could be losing market share to android based tablets. >>> layoffs music to the ears of citigroup investors. the bank is slashing 11,000 jobs and taking one billion dollar fourth qua
prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. >> alan simpson co-chair of the president's debt commission, says both sides are making a high stakes gamble. >> when you have leaders of parties and people of the administration saying, i think it will be to the advantage of the democrats to go off the cliff, i think it will be advantage to the republicans to go off the cliff, or the president to go off the cliff, that's like betting your country. there's stupidity involved in that. >>> syria on the bring. secretary of state hillary clinton holds emergency talks with russia as u.s. officials confirm reports that the syrian military is prepared to launch chemical weapons against its own people. >> we've made it very clear what our position is with respect to chemical weapons and i think we will discuss that and many other aspects. >> the whole world is watching. the whole world is watching very closely. and the president of the united states has made very clear that there will be consequences. >> plus, sharp criticism from afghan president karzai. the exclusive nbc interview. why he
with the fiscal cliff and there's hot rhetoric to go around. >> our members believe strongly that raising tax rates will hurt the economy. closing loopholes, especially on those who are wealthy, is a better way to raise this revenue. >> in order for us to raise the amount of revenue that's needed just by closing deductions and loopholes for high earners we'd have to, for example, eliminate or severely cap the char itible deduction. >> an obsession to raise taxes not going to solve the problem. what will solve the problem is doing something about the entitlements, taking on the wasteful spending in washington. >> and meantime, "the new york times" jonathan wiseman reports behind the scene republican leaders are considering the president's plan to extend middle class tax cuts now an address the debt and spending in the new year. here's republican senator tom coburn on "morning joe." >> actually, i would rather see the rates go up than the other way and greater chance to broaden the base in the future. >> do something, a down payment on cuts, on investments and revenue this year. and then in the
on wall street. they watched the latest sparring over the fiscal cliff. stocks weighed between positive and negative territory. shares of netflix soaring more than 14% you wow! the company announced exclusive dib shun deal with disney. they will get first run streaming rights for disney films beginning in 2016. gold prices losing their shine. the commodity tumbled below $1700 a ounce hitting a one-month low. >> to our top story, no bias or bull. "money" will lay it out for you. all the talk about we can't fall off the fiscal cliff, we say why not? it may not be the worse option? maybe it is. none of them stop the problem. we'll take a look. here to crunch the numbers, stephen hayes, fox news contributor and writer for "the weekly standard." thanks for coming on to brave the math. both sides get so emotional here. it is not about emotion, it is about the numbers and what will save this country. looking at the real numbers on the fiscal cliff. we projected it out over 10 years if we show you the big full screen we made and numbers look pretty scary from a tax perspective there. if we went
over the fiscal cliff. what top economists are saying about your investments. >>> and is this what the fiscal cliff deal has come to? why 81-year-old former senator alan simpson is going gangnam style to get everyone's attention on debt. >> it has officially jumped the shark. >>> alan st. pierre is the executive director for the national,or for the reform of marijuana laws. oregon senator jeff merkley, heidi ewing, and rachel grady will be joining us. steve satich, ohio congressman, steve latourette, and ambassador nick burns are our guests this morning. it's thursday, december 6th, and "starting point" begins right now. >>> welcome, everybody. our starting point this morning, some major developments to tell you about in egypt, after angry protests against political moves by the president, mohamed morsi, have turned deadly. tanks, armored personnel vehicles, all stationed outside the presidential analysis cairo. not only are they guarding the palace, they're also keeping apart supporters and opponents of morsi. hundreds of his islamist supporters already taking to the streets in ca
for a break because i think that video is just what washington needs to crack the whole fiscal cliff thing wide-open. all i'm saying is i think it has the power to bring people together simpson style. that's it for us. thanks for watching. "early start" begins now. >>> new this morning, tanks and personnel carriers stationed outside the presidential palace in egypt, clashes turning deadly overnight. rage at the new leader fears he may become the old leader. we're live from outside the palace in 30 seconds. >>> plus new reports that syria is putting chemical components in bombs. the details, straight ahead. >>> as of this morning for the first time in the history of our country, it is now legal to smoke pot for recreational purposes in a state and we are there for the pot party. good morning, welcome to "early start." i'm christine romans in for john berman this thursday morning. >> i bet you never thought you'd say that, live at a pot party. >>> good morning to you, i'm zoraida sambolin, 5:00 a.m. in the east here. >>> tension has quickly turned to deadly violence in egypt. this morning, t
: lawmakers now have exactly one month to strike a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. tax hikes affecting nearly all americans and across the board spending cuts set to kick in at the end of the year. so far both republicans and democrats are digging in on their demands and neither is putting forth a plan. >> i'm willing to move forward in good faith. our original framework still stands. instead of raising tax rates, we can produce similar amount of revenue reforming the tax code to close loopholes and lower tax rates. that's far better for the economy. >> the clock is ticking. the year is ending. it's really important with tax legislation for it to happen now. we're calling upon the republican leadership in the house to bring this legislation to the floor next week. >> arthel: let's bring in steve centanni with more. >> as you can see, the two sides are taking strong stands on principle, but aren't really getting any closer to a compromise as we speed toward that fiscal cliff. the president hit the road appearing at a pennsylvania toy factory yesterday and appealing for a balanced approach, inc
that the president of the united states is willing to endure the dire consequences of plummeting off the fiscal cliff rather than sitting down and negotiating with republicans at the table. make no mistake. this is far from some obscure conspiracy theory. this is becoming the frightening political reality for the entire country. what you're seeing is a man who thinks he has free rein. you're watching someone who thinks he was reelected with a mandate to do whatever he pleases. he's ignoring the fact that the republican majority remains in the house of representatives, a majority sent there to cult spending and impose his tax hikes. all of this has a growing number of lawmakers now openly suggesting that the country may see -- the president may secretly want the country to fall off the fiscal cliff. earlier today our hannity cameras caught up with a senator from wisconsin on capitol hill. >> it's increasingly clear to me that the president is very willing to go over the cliff. i think he ought to be spending more time listening and less time lecturing. the president seems to be just fixated on increas
's at least get over the psychological hurdle of the fiscal cliff. move on, and put some bandaid together and then hopefully, the next group in there, minus obama, starts to cure this four years from now, because nothing's going to happen in the next four years good. but maybe we get through the fiscal cliff, but then another fiscal cliff comes, that's the whole point of this. >> in fact, and there was a proposal this week to try it get rid of the fiscal cliffs and no longer give congress full power to extend the debt. but i think, i'll tell you what, i'm kind of curious to see the other guys, i think we're going over the fiscal cliff because i think that congress would much rather have us go over the fiscal cliff and then vote to lower taxes and increase spending and they can't bare to raise taxes and reduce spending and that's where we'll end up in three months and have a vote to lower taxes and increase spending. >> jonas what does it do in the short-term, i know you're talking long-term. but short. >> they're scaring everybody about this, like we've got to keep pushing on or the world
in washington. speak up for the fiscal cliff is part of the half trillion dollars in cuts to the pentagon. the defense has been saying we will not plan for sequestration's because they don't want to be cautious because it is like a gun to the head. they're now looking into planning for this because we are getting pretty late, and that may become a reality. back to you. melissa: rich edson, thank you so much. lori: let's continue this discussion. it is going to happen, it is exactly what the democrats want. according to scott hodge of the tax foundation. what are some alternatives to raising revenue? joining me with some ideas. to your point, you're written quite extensively on this topic. it seems the economy is poised to fall off the cliff and that's what the democrats and the president wants to happen. >> they want to allow all the bush tax cuts to expire. it happens naturally automatically. they don't even have to vote for it. in january we had to lower taxes for everybody. getting it very simply. lori: a lot of people are concerned. if we do go over the cliff, there's no resolution fo
, president obama and john byron finally discussing the fiscal cliff. they talked by telephone yesterday. with just 26 days remaining to get a deal done, there are signs of compromise on the republican side. oklahoma's republican senator tom coburn a leading conservative saying he is okay with raising taxes on the wealthiest 2% of americans. in a few moments, soledad o'brien will talk with oregon senator is jeff merkley. he sits on the budget committee. >>> naeem davis now charged with murder for allegedly pushing a man off a new york city subway platform. davis was arraigned last night on a second-degree murder charge. police say he pushed 50-year-old ki-suk han on to the tracks and into the path of an oncoming subway train. >>> internet security pioneer john mcafee could be deported to belize as early as today. guatemalan officials detained mcafee yesterday. they accuse him of entering their country illegally. he turned up in guatemala on tuesday after disappearing from his home in belize. police there want to question mcafee in connection with a murder, his neighbor's murder. he says
to the public amid the fierce fiscal cliff fight. after holding a campaign-like stop in pennsylvania friday, the president today is urging congress to extend middle class tax cuts in his weekly address. >> both parties say we should keep middle class taxes low. the senate's already passed a bill to keep income taxes from going up on middle class families. democrats in the house are ready to do the same thing. if we can just get a few house republicans on board, i'll sign this bill as soon as congress sends it my way. >> the gop is also out today with new criticism of the president's plan. here's republican senator orrin hatch of utah. >> what he proposed this week was a classic bait and switch on the american people. a tax increase double the size of what he campaigned on. billions of dollars in new stimulus spending. and an unlimited, unchecked authority to borrow from the chinese. maybe i missed it, but i don't recall him asking for any of that during the presidential campaign. >> joining me now, white house reporter for the "washington post" david nakamara and congressional reporter for
many days are left until the fiscal cliff deadline. but lawmakers are squaring off with each side accused of giving each side a deal. here's house majority leader eric cantor. >> what we will do is take this as a serious matter. we are interested in trying to solve the problem for the american people so that we don't see taxes go up on anybody so that we can engage in tax reform and get this economy going, again. >> democratic senator max baucus says congressional leaders and the president need to get to work on negotiations right now before the u.s. enters unchartered waters. >> i think if there's no agreement, whatsoever, if the other side is completely that the president has probably no choice but to say, okay, we're going to go with a cliff. that would not be my first preference. >> should that happen, should we go over that so-called fiscal cliff republican congressman lee terry thinks there could be an alterier motive on the part of the president. >> many of us fear that the president's real plan here was to let us go over the cliff and blame the republicans and that's what
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to handle the fiscal cliff? 48% believe president obama and republicans will reach an agreement but 43% say they won't. meantime, president obama is giving a stern warning to republicans who may be trying to use the debt ceiling as leverage. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. >> we should say that the president and house speaker john boehner did speak by phone yesterday. that was the first time in a week. no one is saying what the conversation was about. shortly after that call treasury secretary tim geithner went on cnbc and said the white house is ready to go off the cliff. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff in. >> absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. it's only 2%. >> i want to bring in "usa today" b
, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff in. >> absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. it's only 2%. >> i want to bring in "usa today" bureau chief and welcome to both of you. where are we in these negotiations, susan? >> i think the most encouraging thing was they agreed to the to characterize the phone call. the last time around the characterization of the phone call became a controversy in itself. i think it's pretty clear that the white house and republicans think the white house hand on this is strengthening. we see the polls that you mention, pew polls this week say americans trust the president more, assume if a deal is not reached -- trust the white house more, think if a deal isn't reached it, will be the fault of republicans and it is in fact easier for democrats to go over the fiscal cliff than it is for republicans because then all those tax cuts from the republicans are swept away. but it's too early. it's only december 6. we've got until december 31st and in washington that's a long
with lawmakers today about possible spending cuts. he's also getting ready to take his fiscal cliff message on the road. he'll try to convince the american people the best way to avoid the fiscal cliff is to extend the bush era tax cuts for the middle class. >> it's too important for washington to screw this up. >> reporter: president obama is putting pressure on congressional republicans and he's enlisting middle class americans in getting the gop to take action on taxes. >> when the american people speak loudly enough, lo and behold congress listens. >> reporter: tomorrow he'll host a campaign style event where he calls on lawmakers to extend the tax rates on families making less than $250,000 a year. once that's done they can work on other details such as spending cuts and changes to the tax code, medicare and medicaid. >> he's out there campaigning for his position. i get it. we understand it. at the end of the day he has to lead on this issue. >> reporter: some republican lawmakers have said they are willing to compromise on the tax issue. oklahoma representative tom cole said the gop
, 27 days until the fiscal cliff. and i know you know that already, but guess what, folks? the deadline for congress and the white house to act, to stop the tax increase and punishing spending cuts, that deadline is coming up quicker than you may realize because did you know, congress plans to end its current session on december 21st? check your calendar as we did today. that's two weeks from friday. that means that under congressional rules any agreement, any legislation to fix this whole mess would have to be filed here by december 28th. here's the kicker. the president currently plans to leave town the day before that, on the 17th of this month. so the yearly obama trip to hawaii is set to start a week from next monday. you feel me here? see where i'm going? the window closing faster than folks think. what are our decisionmakers doing right now? among other things they are apparently sending signals through the media. republicans saying time to get moving. the president saying there is a deal to be had fairly quickly if the republicans come around to raising taxes on the wealthy. let
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